Islam - What the West Needs to Know (Examination of Islam)(2006)
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Islam: What the West Needs to Know - An examination of Islam, Violence, and the Fate of the Non-Muslim World. Featuring: Abdullah Al-Araby Walid Shoebot Robert Spencer Serge Trifkovic Bat Ye'or See Roberts Spencers website Here: Also includes information about his important books. about DVD http://www.whatthewestneedstoknow.com/ Where to buy it http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/exchange-glance/Y02Y0274043Y4516368/qid%253D1157697660/102-5966639-9029714 Content The documentary consists of original interviews, citations from Islamic texts, Islamic artwork, computer-animated maps, footage of Western leaders, and Islamic television broadcasts. Its tone is sober, methodical, and compelling. Virtually every major Western leader has over the past several years expressed the view that Islam is a peaceful religion and that those who commit violence in its name are fanatics who misinterpret its tenets. This claim, while widely circulated, rarely attracts serious public examination. Relying primarily on Islam?s own sources, this documentary demonstrates that Islam is a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government. Outline of the Documentary Introduction We hear from prominent Western leaders that Islam is peaceful and that those who commit violence in its name are heterodox fanatics. Part 1: ?There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet? Our interviewees affirm their belief that Islamic violence is entirely orthodox behavior for Muslims and stems directly from the teachings and example of the Prophet Muhammad and the commands of the Koran. We learn that the example of Muhammad is one of a violent warlord who killed numerous people. The Koran ? the verbatim words of Allah ? prescribes violence against non-Muslims and Muhammad is the perfect example of the Koran in action. Part 2: The Struggle We learn that jihad, while literally meaning 'struggle', in fact denotes war fought against non-Muslims in order to bring the rule of Islamic law to the world. Violent death in jihad is, according to the Koran, the only assurance of salvation. One of our interviewees tells of his personal involvement in terrorism and his leaving Islam. Part 3: Expansion Following the death of Muhammad, his 'rightly-guided' successors carried his wars to three continents, fighting, enslaving, and massacring countless Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus, and others. Islam did not spread through evangelism or through its natural appeal, but through aggressive wars of conquest. The Crusades were largely a belated response on the part of Christian Europe to rescue Christians in the Holy Land suffering under Muslim oppression. The Muslim world today, while no longer the unified empire of the Caliphs, is exceptional for being responsible for the vast majority of conflicts around the world and for almost all of international terrorism. Part 4: ?War is Deceit? A great problem with Western efforts to understand Islam is due to the Islamic principle of 'religious deception', which enjoins Muslims to deceive non-Muslims in order to advance the cause of Islam. Muslim groups today in the West employ deception and omission to give the impression that 'Islam is a religion of peace', an utter fiction. Part 5: More than a Religion The most important characteristic of Islam not understood by the West is that it is more a system of government than a personal religion. Throughout its history, Islam has never recognized a distinction between the religious and the secular/political. Islamic law governs every aspect of religious, political, and personal action, which amounts to a form of totalitarianism that is divinely enjoined to dominate the world, analogous in many ways to Communism. Part 6: The House of War Islamic theology divides the world into two spheres locked in perpetual combat, dar al-Islam (House of Islam - where Islamic law predominates), and dar al-harb (House of War - the rest of the world). It is incumbent on dar al-Islam to fight and conquer dar al-harb and permanently assimilate it. Muslims in Western nations are called to subvert the secular regimes in which they now live in accordance with Allah's command. Due to political correctness and general government and media irresponsibility, the danger posed by observant Muslims in the West remains largely unappreciated. 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waow , let's exterminate them all!
stupid idiot !
If it wasn't thanks to muslim scholars throughout History, you will be typing your lines of crap with a hammer on stone, and shittin out of your window without wippin or even washing. I advise you to read a bit (andalusia in 10th century) if you are able to read a book Moron.
stupid idiot !
If it wasn't thanks to muslim scholars throughout History, you will be typing your lines of crap with a hammer on stone, and shittin out of your window without wippin or even washing. I advise you to read a bit (andalusia in 10th century) if you are able to read a book Moron.
Islam Suck Dicks!!
Im really Intrested on this, yet im only 15 years old and have really bad typing skills so i cant express in words well. I agree that islam is really bad to the whole world.
Long live CHEESE
Down with ISLAM
Long live CHEESE
Down with ISLAM
captainahmed at 2007-05-12 01:32 CET:
me as a muslim i totally respect all other religions
not for a group of extremists who bombed 2 towers and killed innocent people
i have more than 90% of my friends are christians inside and out side my country
let's leave religions aside and keep the life going together in peace
not for a group of extremists who bombed 2 towers and killed innocent people
i have more than 90% of my friends are christians inside and out side my country
let's leave religions aside and keep the life going together in peace
I laugh my ass off every time I read the comments from some dim bulb who thinks we our lives to Islam because of their inventions.
Islam may have made a few contributions to history, but guess what - they want our asses fucking DEAD now.
Speaking of reading books, try Yoseff Bodansky's "The High Cost of Peace" - read the chapter called "A vow is a vow and a contract is a contract" - the Muslim's allegiance is to ISLAM before anything else. Islam wants a worldwide caliphate and let's the terrorists do their dirty work - all the while saying "gee, we aren't terrorists - but maybe they went over that hill over there".
It's time to bring this war to the Muslim street. Wanna destroy Islamic terrorism? Easy - start nuking Islam's largest cities 25 at a time every time they launch a terrorist attack.
NO MERCY - NO COMPROMISE - NO NEGOTIATION.
It's time to show these terrorists what *real* terror is all about.
And since they seem to have a penchant for burning people alive, I say let's bring new meaning to the phrase "How about a little fire, scarecrow" - with nuclear fucking weapons.
Fuck Islam and fuck it DEAD.
Islam may have made a few contributions to history, but guess what - they want our asses fucking DEAD now.
Speaking of reading books, try Yoseff Bodansky's "The High Cost of Peace" - read the chapter called "A vow is a vow and a contract is a contract" - the Muslim's allegiance is to ISLAM before anything else. Islam wants a worldwide caliphate and let's the terrorists do their dirty work - all the while saying "gee, we aren't terrorists - but maybe they went over that hill over there".
It's time to bring this war to the Muslim street. Wanna destroy Islamic terrorism? Easy - start nuking Islam's largest cities 25 at a time every time they launch a terrorist attack.
NO MERCY - NO COMPROMISE - NO NEGOTIATION.
It's time to show these terrorists what *real* terror is all about.
And since they seem to have a penchant for burning people alive, I say let's bring new meaning to the phrase "How about a little fire, scarecrow" - with nuclear fucking weapons.
Fuck Islam and fuck it DEAD.
just cums to show what people are really like, ignorant and a bunch of cowards. Writing that piece of rascist retarded comments on the internet... go out to the public and tell em how much u hate islam. What u dont realise is Islam it self is the one and only flawless religion. Only problem is how many "muslims" today tend to do evil things in its name, such as certain acts of terrorism. Dont associate islam with muslims, its two completely different things, u seem to have problems with Islam, but u ignorant little prick should do some proper research on its teachings and not take things out of context. Islam is all for peace and caring, and those who abuse the religion and do evil acts in its name will be judged eventually. Thanks
God is greater
God is greater
Haha. People actualy believes this crap?
on the day of judgement all the nonbelievers will come to us muslims and ask us why we didnt tell them about islam. Nows our chance, start seeding! :D :D However, only God can lead them on the right path and once he has led them astray nothing and no one can turn them to the path. I just thank God I was born muslim :D :d :D
God is greater
God is greater
@sidoua
Most common mis conception of the islam is that brought us algebra.
The islam brought us nothing, infact it killed the technology from the arabs. All the knowledge comes from conquered tribes.
I will seed this video until no one downloads it...
Most common mis conception of the islam is that brought us algebra.
The islam brought us nothing, infact it killed the technology from the arabs. All the knowledge comes from conquered tribes.
I will seed this video until no one downloads it...
Knaster at 2007-05-14 01:44 CET:
Nationalsocialism is the only true way.....hoist the battlestandards and keep on marching i tne white world
To assem88:
You're like every other lying sack of shit Muslim - "oh we are just peaceful Muslims" - while you send out your bitch dogs of allah to kill women and children (Beslan).
Fucking coward cunt bitches that blow up kids. Look at Osama - that faggot cornholer has to hide in a cave like the girly girl bitch prophet muhammad he emulates so well.
You say "Only problem is how many "muslims" today tend to do evil things in its name, such as certain acts of terrorism. "
Yeah, that's the only problem. All those fucking muslims doing acts of terrorism. Gee, maybe they belong to "The Religion of Bozo The Fucking Clown" and are just trying to make Islam look bad.
That must be it, huh dickhead. Take your self righteous attitude about your "flawless" religion and shove it up your ass.
And it's pretty obvious (dumb fuck) you didn't watch this video. It doesn't support your position and it shows Islam for exactly what it is - a religion and a people who are intent on dominating the world and destroying everyone who thinks differently then you.
You're like every other lying sack of shit Muslim - "oh we are just peaceful Muslims" - while you send out your bitch dogs of allah to kill women and children (Beslan).
Fucking coward cunt bitches that blow up kids. Look at Osama - that faggot cornholer has to hide in a cave like the girly girl bitch prophet muhammad he emulates so well.
You say "Only problem is how many "muslims" today tend to do evil things in its name, such as certain acts of terrorism. "
Yeah, that's the only problem. All those fucking muslims doing acts of terrorism. Gee, maybe they belong to "The Religion of Bozo The Fucking Clown" and are just trying to make Islam look bad.
That must be it, huh dickhead. Take your self righteous attitude about your "flawless" religion and shove it up your ass.
And it's pretty obvious (dumb fuck) you didn't watch this video. It doesn't support your position and it shows Islam for exactly what it is - a religion and a people who are intent on dominating the world and destroying everyone who thinks differently then you.
Fuck you, Asstards!
George Bush blew up those towers!!! Don't blame it on Islam!!
Proof:
http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/11/bush-blew-up-twin-towers.html
George Bush blew up those towers!!! Don't blame it on Islam!!
Proof:
http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2006/11/bush-blew-up-twin-towers.html
Xonon:
Another piece of shit Muslim fuck spreading their lies.
Or - proof that some village somewhere is missing their idiot.
Another piece of shit Muslim fuck spreading their lies.
Or - proof that some village somewhere is missing their idiot.
joojoojammy - good job man lol
i love watching the differant propaganda that each side launches, its hilarious lol damn christians/oil junkies and jihad motherfuckers. they are gonna be the end of anyone near any kind of civilization. good thing we got the most nukes ;D
i love watching the differant propaganda that each side launches, its hilarious lol damn christians/oil junkies and jihad motherfuckers. they are gonna be the end of anyone near any kind of civilization. good thing we got the most nukes ;D
" a violent, expansionary ideology that seeks the destruction or subjugation of other faiths, cultures, and systems of government. "
sounds like Christianity to me.
sounds like Christianity to me.
islam contributed nothing to society. the arabs did yes. before islam came and ruined their advanced society. islam is a mental illness that should be cured in gas chambers.
alaaaaaaah 2akbaaaaaaar & you will see
to all those filled with righteous condemanation -y'all are ignorant! fucking ignorant! your words are nothing more than a trite compilation of what you have been told. there is not an original thought among you. every religion has an inherent defect - it is god in the hands and mouths of men... why dont you try it the other way around, lose the religiousity and show one another some patience, love, and tolerance.... instead of twisting and perverting the words of some of the most holy men in all of history -- listen to what THEY (jesus,mohammed) have actually said and try not to be so ignorant as to form all your thoughts from the propagated molds of highly opinionated hearsay. - peace -
IslaM = CONQUEST
The last thing we need are crazy allah worshipping idiots.
The last thing we need are crazy allah worshipping idiots.
A beliefsystem in this or that is stupid. Put all priests, mullahs etc in jail or mental hospital. Those idiots have done enough harm to humanity.
This is an amazing piece of documentary work, that I recommend you all watch.
I have been seeding this forever - it is the best, and most honest account of what I have come to know about Islam.
I can't belive my comments were removed, given I have insulted or sweared at all....but I guess the that is muslims for you.
Anyway, this has all the facts from history, accurately, and neatly presented for you to take in. But beware, it does not make for entertaining tv...this is real.
Mohammad WAS a pedophile. Check the facts!
I have been seeding this forever - it is the best, and most honest account of what I have come to know about Islam.
I can't belive my comments were removed, given I have insulted or sweared at all....but I guess the that is muslims for you.
Anyway, this has all the facts from history, accurately, and neatly presented for you to take in. But beware, it does not make for entertaining tv...this is real.
Mohammad WAS a pedophile. Check the facts!
Believing is easier than thinking, thats why the muslims are true believers. Do not ever trust them !!!!
..... thanks dude this is awsome
This DVD is bullshit. Don't waste your time. Don't believe the Zionists. Islam means PEACE. Christianity and Judaism are the most violent, slanderous religions out there.
Never in my life have i read more CRAP then in the comments of this torrent. Both the pathetic religious fanatics AND the intolerant nazi fascists dont know shit they're talking about.
Another raghead bits the dust....
Another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust.
Another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust.
If you dont know anything about islam, dont watch this movie, I was disgusted by its inaccuracy, entirely one sided and biased, purely misleading and false, they try to make it sound as though the ideology of less than 5% of the muslim population is held by the whole, do some research from an academic standing prior to watching this christian/judaist propaganda, if you donr belive me check the production and aho all the speakers are
oh, and for all those idiot reponders saying that all the mathmatical/medical/astronomical/technological contributions that islamic societies made were actually developed in arab villlages conquered by the ottoman muslims, you are very misinformed...the turks were atheists conquering muslim towns and later converted to islam and carried out the conquests...again do some research you dumb deaf and blind morons.
Most common mis conception of the islam is that brought us algebra.
The islam brought us nothing, infact it killed the technology from the arabs. All the knowledge comes from conquered tribes.
OMG......LOL...IDIOT
The islam brought us nothing, infact it killed the technology from the arabs. All the knowledge comes from conquered tribes.
OMG......LOL...IDIOT
I'm a documentary filmmaker who's Jewish. I know some of you simpletons out there are expecting me to back this film because "Jews hate Muslims and they're bitter enemies" Of course, you simpletons have probably never met neither a Jew or Muslim in your life, hence why you think this film is anything but a complete hack-job.
This is a doc for people who have already made up their minds that "Islam is evil" and "Muslims are our enemy" without actually studying Islam in an objective fashion (reading evilislam.com doesn't count as objective, sorry)
It is the Islamic version of those anti-semitic films most of us Chosen Folks are familiar with that are produced by Neo-Nazi groups. It takes quotes from the Qu'ran completely out of context (ie - it quotes the Qu'ran as saying "Jews (in general) are apes" when in fact this passage is from the Islamic version of the book of Exodus, and that passage is talking about the Jews who practiced idolotry while Moses grabbed the ten commandments from the top of mount Sinai, if you wanted to, you could do the same hack job in the bible - you could say that since the bible tells the same story and refers to those specific people as "heathens" than the bible is saying that all Jews are heathens . . .
Expect this level of terrible scholarship or outright distortion from this film. Either the makers are completely ignorant of Islam (in which case, as a filmmaker, what the hell are you doing making a film about subject you don't know anything about?) or they're DELIBERATELY misleading their audience (again, what kind of a doc-filmmaker does that?)
The speakers are horrible as well:
Walid Shoebot - Was a Jew-hating Palestinian terrorist, before he switched sides and became a Christian and re-directed the same hate towards Muslims. In fact, much of what he says about Muslims now is similar to what he said about Jews in the past. Considering he hasn't been deported or charged unlike other Palestinian terrorists found living in the US, his new views seem to be keeping him in Uncle Sam's good books, which makes you wonder how sincere he's being, or if it's an act to stay out of jail.
Robert Spencer - Takes the worst examples of Islam, leaves out anything positive (and yes, sorry, there is much positive), takes quotes out of context - pretty much writes about Islam the way the Klan writes about Jews. But since it's publicly acceptable to be racist towards Muslims, unlike us Jews, he is able to make a joke of a career out of his amateur scholarship.
Bat Ye'Or - A good scholar of Jewish history in Muslim lands, however she doesn't keep things in context in making judgements such as "Jews were treated like crap in Medieval Islamic countries" - As bad as it was for Jews in say, Morocco in 1600, it was a hell of a lot better than being a Jew living in Christian Europe at the same time. After all, my family had to flee Spain to what is now Poland once the Moors were driven out by the Catholics, because of the Inquisition, which killed Jews who wouldn't forcibly convert to Christianity. So if Muslims are evil towards Jews because of this history, why not Christians? The answer is we should realize that the world IN GENERAL was anti-semetic for us and still is in many places, and up until after WWII for the most part, the best place to live for a Jew was a place like Seville in Moorish Spain, or Istanbul under the Ottomans.
These are the kinds of speakers in this film. A film that if it treated Judaism the way it treats Islam, would certainly be called an false, anti-semitic piece of propaganda.
If you really want to learn about Islam, go pick up no god but God by Reza Aslan (you've seen him on the Daily Show & Colbert Report, he is the Middle East expert for ABC News) great book written by a young guy who actually has degrees in and has taught religion. And an excellent writer as well.
This is a doc for people who have already made up their minds that "Islam is evil" and "Muslims are our enemy" without actually studying Islam in an objective fashion (reading evilislam.com doesn't count as objective, sorry)
It is the Islamic version of those anti-semitic films most of us Chosen Folks are familiar with that are produced by Neo-Nazi groups. It takes quotes from the Qu'ran completely out of context (ie - it quotes the Qu'ran as saying "Jews (in general) are apes" when in fact this passage is from the Islamic version of the book of Exodus, and that passage is talking about the Jews who practiced idolotry while Moses grabbed the ten commandments from the top of mount Sinai, if you wanted to, you could do the same hack job in the bible - you could say that since the bible tells the same story and refers to those specific people as "heathens" than the bible is saying that all Jews are heathens . . .
Expect this level of terrible scholarship or outright distortion from this film. Either the makers are completely ignorant of Islam (in which case, as a filmmaker, what the hell are you doing making a film about subject you don't know anything about?) or they're DELIBERATELY misleading their audience (again, what kind of a doc-filmmaker does that?)
The speakers are horrible as well:
Walid Shoebot - Was a Jew-hating Palestinian terrorist, before he switched sides and became a Christian and re-directed the same hate towards Muslims. In fact, much of what he says about Muslims now is similar to what he said about Jews in the past. Considering he hasn't been deported or charged unlike other Palestinian terrorists found living in the US, his new views seem to be keeping him in Uncle Sam's good books, which makes you wonder how sincere he's being, or if it's an act to stay out of jail.
Robert Spencer - Takes the worst examples of Islam, leaves out anything positive (and yes, sorry, there is much positive), takes quotes out of context - pretty much writes about Islam the way the Klan writes about Jews. But since it's publicly acceptable to be racist towards Muslims, unlike us Jews, he is able to make a joke of a career out of his amateur scholarship.
Bat Ye'Or - A good scholar of Jewish history in Muslim lands, however she doesn't keep things in context in making judgements such as "Jews were treated like crap in Medieval Islamic countries" - As bad as it was for Jews in say, Morocco in 1600, it was a hell of a lot better than being a Jew living in Christian Europe at the same time. After all, my family had to flee Spain to what is now Poland once the Moors were driven out by the Catholics, because of the Inquisition, which killed Jews who wouldn't forcibly convert to Christianity. So if Muslims are evil towards Jews because of this history, why not Christians? The answer is we should realize that the world IN GENERAL was anti-semetic for us and still is in many places, and up until after WWII for the most part, the best place to live for a Jew was a place like Seville in Moorish Spain, or Istanbul under the Ottomans.
These are the kinds of speakers in this film. A film that if it treated Judaism the way it treats Islam, would certainly be called an false, anti-semitic piece of propaganda.
If you really want to learn about Islam, go pick up no god but God by Reza Aslan (you've seen him on the Daily Show & Colbert Report, he is the Middle East expert for ABC News) great book written by a young guy who actually has degrees in and has taught religion. And an excellent writer as well.
Simple truth. Islam IS evil, it is Satanism dressed up as a religion. Not all, or even most, Muslims are evil, but their 'faith' has perverted them to the extent that they happily support evil actions.
Well worth watching, no wonder the 'Islam-is-peace-we-must-be-gievn-respect-or-else-you-are-all-nazis' brigade are so upset. I'll be leaving this one as a permenant seed.
Well worth watching, no wonder the 'Islam-is-peace-we-must-be-gievn-respect-or-else-you-are-all-nazis' brigade are so upset. I'll be leaving this one as a permenant seed.
Dear All...I've been reading your comments and have to say I'm disappointed.It is not about protecting Islam...it is about admit the fact...there are good and bad people on every side you look.It is not about religion..We are humans..and have our good side and bad side.Being open mind does not mean you accept something..but to try to understand something..I was an ignorant too..before I went to Turkey..and I don't know how could I think so many bad things about Islam..the very East side of the world.I'm in love with a turkish woman...ans she is not radical..not terrorist..she is one of the sweetest woman I have ever meet...What you see on tv is only a little part of reality...I'm romanian and every time I turn on the news there are news about romanians who commit murder rape etc....Bin Laden killed many many people 9/11..Bush with his war killed 10 more...american young soldiers among the "murdered"....do we really need this hate??I don't think so...instead of judging something...let's be open mind..don't ask you to tolerate everything in this world..just try to find out the facts...Call me stupid/idiot..but if you do this...you shall remain ignorant all your life and for who will you do wrong??not for me certainly...
There is no ONE single Muslim majority country that prevents women from going to school.
The ONLY country that prevents women from driving or leaving the house without a male guardian is KSA. A single country with a tiny fraction of the Muslim population can not be considered as a representative of Islam.
Hitler was Christian and was the sun of a Christian priest. Does it make sense, saying that Christianity encourages genocides?
Many Catholic priests were proven guilty of child molestation. Can we say that this is a Catholic Christian tradition?
The Christian crusaders, fighting in the name of the cross, committed cannibalism. Does that mean that Christianity calls for cannibalism?
Almost naked women are in display in the red district of Amsterdam, Netherlands. Many of the sex workers there are white slaves. Does Christianity approve that?
According to the UN statistics, domestic violence in the west far exceeds domestic violence in the Middle East countries. Is domestic violence a Christian doctrine?
Islam called for liberating slaves. African Americans were enslaved by a papal bull from Pope Nicholas V.
Muslim countries harbored the Jew, while there were laws in nearly every single European country dehumanizing them. For example, while Christian Hitler was slaughtering Jews in Germany, Egypt, a Muslim country, had a Jewish member of its cabinet.
If the bad actions of some members of that society is considered to be reflecting the merits of that society, then Christianity would be the most evil social/religious system human kind had ever knew
The ONLY country that prevents women from driving or leaving the house without a male guardian is KSA. A single country with a tiny fraction of the Muslim population can not be considered as a representative of Islam.
Hitler was Christian and was the sun of a Christian priest. Does it make sense, saying that Christianity encourages genocides?
Many Catholic priests were proven guilty of child molestation. Can we say that this is a Catholic Christian tradition?
The Christian crusaders, fighting in the name of the cross, committed cannibalism. Does that mean that Christianity calls for cannibalism?
Almost naked women are in display in the red district of Amsterdam, Netherlands. Many of the sex workers there are white slaves. Does Christianity approve that?
According to the UN statistics, domestic violence in the west far exceeds domestic violence in the Middle East countries. Is domestic violence a Christian doctrine?
Islam called for liberating slaves. African Americans were enslaved by a papal bull from Pope Nicholas V.
Muslim countries harbored the Jew, while there were laws in nearly every single European country dehumanizing them. For example, while Christian Hitler was slaughtering Jews in Germany, Egypt, a Muslim country, had a Jewish member of its cabinet.
If the bad actions of some members of that society is considered to be reflecting the merits of that society, then Christianity would be the most evil social/religious system human kind had ever knew
I don't want to put down all of the deceived Muslims but this video really shows what Islam is about. It is the most eye opening torrent I've seen. There is a God. Satan is the reason for Islam as he promised he would bring war and misery to as many people on earth as he could. Islam will be at the forefront of Armageddon. Mark my words.
This message is for all you so called atheists and pommesfritten. What's the Greatest lie that's out there. That Satan doesn't exist. Why is this the greatest? So that we can blame everyone else for the problems in the world and keep on fighting one another or not put our faith in God. There is no good unless there is evil. Sorry if your not enlightened yet but the truth will come out soon enough. Actually much of it already has but since you can't see the signs of the times you still say things are all messed up together and religion is not for you. The opposition to evil is never the easy road get over it!!
There is very little on this planet that is more pathetic than when people of different religions argue over who's religion is the right and most just.
Christianity adopted to western values with the separation of church and state,Islam should too.Only the fanatics play on the religion vs religion argue,it's simply put civilization vs civilization.
The far east with Japan in the lead adapted to western values as well...
Modern society vs a dated one,democracy vs dictatorship,science and reason vs religious dogma.
Christianity adopted to western values with the separation of church and state,Islam should too.Only the fanatics play on the religion vs religion argue,it's simply put civilization vs civilization.
The far east with Japan in the lead adapted to western values as well...
Modern society vs a dated one,democracy vs dictatorship,science and reason vs religious dogma.
bodthedog - I just laugh at you and your stupidity. I am not the least bit brain washed or indoctinated. I have a firm testimony of God. Just because you don't wanna takes sides in the war between good and evil don't make you smart. You'll still be judged according to your deeds and the intentions of your heart and of course according to what truths you know. Which seems to be very limited at this time.
Zakimar, this film doesn't diminish those facts.
It's just Brutal and Big Business.
Being a Slave of the real owners (The Rich) of the western world is comparable to the opression under medieval sharia. West is being slowly stripped from its freedom with or without the islamic laws.
It's just Brutal and Big Business.
Being a Slave of the real owners (The Rich) of the western world is comparable to the opression under medieval sharia. West is being slowly stripped from its freedom with or without the islamic laws.
bodthedog - I was defending a general statement you made because you are trying to put down all religions. I don't have to study all 27,000 religions to know if they are all wrong. I never said everyone that doesn't think my way is evil. They are definitely in the dark about who God is and how to worship Him tho. You ask for proof. God has proven Himself all through History - The Jewish and Christian God that is. The prophecies in the Bible have come true, are being fulfilled today, and will continue to be fulfilled in the near future. Telling you I know something is true won't make it true for you. Like the scriptures say you may know a tree (religion or faith) by its fruits. If its a good tree it brings forth good fruit. Also how do you describe salt to someone who has never tasted it? They just won't understand. You can wait around as long as you like but that will only put you on the wrong side. If you earnestly want to do the right thing it's gonna take some effort. God doesn't like fence sitters (people who just watch without picking sides). The wicked take the truth to be hard - maybe you like sinning so picking a religion will force you to give up some of your bad habits and sins. At any rate it doesn't matter how you feel about my beliefs if I'm not forcing you to belief it too (unlike the Muslims) . I just would like you to be prepared for the day of Judgment and not be wondering where you stand in the eyes of God. I clearly know where I stand and wish the same for you. Read the scriptures study more scriptures than the Bible. There is a prophet today. Do some research and stop putting down religion and making excuses for yourself.
jzenmen, it is better to become the follower of truth, then it is to become an atheist. Ghandi said something along the lines of "I'm a Hindu, I am a Christian, I am a Muslim, I am a Jew", if you are all of them, then you can be equally offended by all their ignorance yet see the good of religion. If you are just an atheist, you will just condemn it all period. You can't beat them...
bodthedog - You don't read my posts very carefully do you. Saying a religion is wrong is not calling it evil. I never claimed all Muslims are evil. The teachings in Islam come from an evil source - Satan. You assume I'm Catholic - didn't you read that I study more scriptures than the Bible. I'm not Catholic or Protestant. God proves Himself. All I can do is try to lead you to Him. The choice is yours. There can only be one true religion that has His Holy Priesthood. Neither the Catholics or Protestants have it because it was taken away with the death of Christ's apostles. This was the Apostasy. Want proof it happened. Learn some history about the dark ages and the Catholic church - that's proof enough. If you want scriptural proof try reading Ezekiel, Isaiah, Amos, and Daniel again and again Didn't Christ say he would not come again until there first was a falling away? Please read because you are missing so many signs and clues.
Thank you for sharing this with us!
bodthedog - The proof you ask for is already out there. You just aren't looking in the right places for it. Or you just aren't hanging around the right people. I see my words proven all the time. Anyway, I know that soon their will be no denying what God's word is because he will prove Himself with tempests, earthquakes, destruction, famine, disease, pestilence, and many other signs. The buildup of Zion - literally and spiritually and of course the gathering of the Jews and the rebuilding of their temple. The Beast will be ruling the world for a time. You have no way to refute any of this and will die in the destruction or choose the right path - fence sitters won't be a part of Zion.
bodthedog - You are making more good points. yes GLOBAL WARMING is the main cause of the INCREASE of all of the destruction and commotion in the earth. So God prophesied a natural turn of events and natural disasters because he Knew we'd be living in a technological age that would emit enormous amounts of carbon into the atmosphere and therefore upset the balance He established in the creation of the earth. If this is over your head just let me know. About you statement 'ERRIBLE VISITATION WILL BE A WELCOME RELEASE FOR THEM' - I couldn't agree with you more. Actually the requirements for even these people to be happy is that they are meek and humble just as Christ said in his Sermon on the Mount. About me showing you or telling you about all of the signs and miracles I've seen in this day you can't get a testimony through me. i already know you never intended to learn anything from me. You just want to be an idiot and dog on every organized religion because you have some issues. If you are truly a seeker of truth and are open-minded I have no doubt you'll be led to the same religion I am a part of. No paid clergy, prophet leading the church, additional scriptures than the Bible, modern revelation, a restored church, belief in and use of temples, apostles, gifts of the spirit, the priesthood - authority to act in the name of God, clear and perfect doctrine, tithing, baptism, missionary work, Gift of the Holy Ghost ,and so much more.
bodthedog - I am impressed you finally got it. (I had to keep leaving more and more clues for ya.) Wow you really have heard a lot of garbage ideas about my faith. As much as I'd like to see you change your ways it appears you are completely lost until you humble yourself or God humbles you. You must now know nothing you say will shake my beliefs. Good luck hating on everyone. Satan lovers you for it.
bodthedog - aka Korihor - since it appears you are atheist what have you to gain from taking me away from my faith? Do you believe you will get more friends or something stupid like that? You need to realize that wickedness never was happiness. Even if I were wrong about my faith (which I'm not) it still would be better than living out a worthless life like you are promoting. I'm sure all you want to do is blame all the problems of the world - including your own - on religion. Good luck to you but yours and Satan's plan will fail.
bodthedog aka Korihor - I am very anxious to hear your reply at this topic - http://thepiratebay.ee/tor/3671021/The_Message_-_DVD_Starring_Anthony_Quinn_The_Story_of_Islam
Here is your statement - 'ONE AWKWARD QUESTION AND YOUR OUT'. Where do you come up with stuff. I'm sure you've read tons of Anti-Mormon literature. No surprises there. I ask tons of so called awkward questions and I've never been warned or anything. I lead some of these discussions as a leader in the church. You are making all sorts of ridiculous claims simply from stories you've heard from anti-literature. Joseph Smith said that those who are excommunicated from the church usually do all that they can to fight against it after they are out. This is because they are held captive by Satan who fills their souls with hate and anger. It is all they can do to appease their justification for their rebellion. We accept those who repent fully to come back into the Church. Haven't you heard the story of Sidney Rigdon. He fell away for a time but later came back because he realized his mistakes. People fall away from my church because of sin and unwillingness to follow a prophet of God. Not because the teachings are false. You really need to grow up spiritually.
Now you claim that your God may be the same God as mine but the way you speak says volumes against that likelihood. You say all organized religions are bad - my God organized a religion so your just trying to be misleading to others. Right Korihor. I never said you were deaf and dumb I was just quoting a passage that is a warning to your type of people that God's judgments will come upon you if you keep speaking in an Antichrist way. Whether in this life or not it makes no difference to me.
You say - 'YES ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS DO BOIL DOWN TO RELIGION'. Keep leaving out satan do ya. To deny his existence you'll just keep running into the same wall of ignorance and blaming religions. I like the scripture contention is of the Devil. Yes indeed people don't like being told they are wrong. Read the Book of Mormon and that is clear and evident. The problem is when they take measures like going to war over it. My church has never done that - they have indeed attempted to defend themselves against attacks from other faiths and armies tho.
You assume way too much about my faith. To say we are a cult is laughable - now I know you have been reading anti-literature. I do not say all members of my church have acted perfectly but if they aren't going by the doctrines and teachings of the church we excommunicate them not let it go on like other faiths. Yes indeed I am from the origin form of Mormonism if you like - The official name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". We have had many splits from our church that give us bad press but we are the ones with all of the temples, who use the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, the Official Declarations of the Church, print the Ensign, New Era, Church News, and the Friend, who have two websites lds.org and fairlds.org, who have a living prophet with 12 apostles and quorums of Seventies, and have thousands of missionaries around the world. I can go on and on - We are the ones who will build up the City of Zion, who will help the Jews rebuild their temple, who have the Holy Priesthood of God, who allow for Revelation to be accepted today. Go on keep telling me what you don't know about my faith and the lies and I'll keep showing you more and more 'proof' of its validity. You'll keep presenting lame arguments with the help of Satan but you will never get anywhere with me. Keep promoting your Antichrist views Korihor. You'll be held accountable for those you purposely lead away from the truth. The millennium is gonna be long for you if you don't repent before it is too late.
Here is your statement - 'ONE AWKWARD QUESTION AND YOUR OUT'. Where do you come up with stuff. I'm sure you've read tons of Anti-Mormon literature. No surprises there. I ask tons of so called awkward questions and I've never been warned or anything. I lead some of these discussions as a leader in the church. You are making all sorts of ridiculous claims simply from stories you've heard from anti-literature. Joseph Smith said that those who are excommunicated from the church usually do all that they can to fight against it after they are out. This is because they are held captive by Satan who fills their souls with hate and anger. It is all they can do to appease their justification for their rebellion. We accept those who repent fully to come back into the Church. Haven't you heard the story of Sidney Rigdon. He fell away for a time but later came back because he realized his mistakes. People fall away from my church because of sin and unwillingness to follow a prophet of God. Not because the teachings are false. You really need to grow up spiritually.
Now you claim that your God may be the same God as mine but the way you speak says volumes against that likelihood. You say all organized religions are bad - my God organized a religion so your just trying to be misleading to others. Right Korihor. I never said you were deaf and dumb I was just quoting a passage that is a warning to your type of people that God's judgments will come upon you if you keep speaking in an Antichrist way. Whether in this life or not it makes no difference to me.
You say - 'YES ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS DO BOIL DOWN TO RELIGION'. Keep leaving out satan do ya. To deny his existence you'll just keep running into the same wall of ignorance and blaming religions. I like the scripture contention is of the Devil. Yes indeed people don't like being told they are wrong. Read the Book of Mormon and that is clear and evident. The problem is when they take measures like going to war over it. My church has never done that - they have indeed attempted to defend themselves against attacks from other faiths and armies tho.
You assume way too much about my faith. To say we are a cult is laughable - now I know you have been reading anti-literature. I do not say all members of my church have acted perfectly but if they aren't going by the doctrines and teachings of the church we excommunicate them not let it go on like other faiths. Yes indeed I am from the origin form of Mormonism if you like - The official name of the church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints". We have had many splits from our church that give us bad press but we are the ones with all of the temples, who use the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, the Official Declarations of the Church, print the Ensign, New Era, Church News, and the Friend, who have two websites lds.org and fairlds.org, who have a living prophet with 12 apostles and quorums of Seventies, and have thousands of missionaries around the world. I can go on and on - We are the ones who will build up the City of Zion, who will help the Jews rebuild their temple, who have the Holy Priesthood of God, who allow for Revelation to be accepted today. Go on keep telling me what you don't know about my faith and the lies and I'll keep showing you more and more 'proof' of its validity. You'll keep presenting lame arguments with the help of Satan but you will never get anywhere with me. Keep promoting your Antichrist views Korihor. You'll be held accountable for those you purposely lead away from the truth. The millennium is gonna be long for you if you don't repent before it is too late.
At least Christians aren?t being killed in Iraq anymore and thus more people can go to heaven over there. That means that they have many of the same freedoms that we have here. Thank God for that! God is not an evil God; there is no sin in him. He sent his Son to die for our sins not for the believer to kill himself off in an act of Jihad. The Bible is more prevalent in the world ? everybody in the modern world has heard of Jesus Christ, I assume. If you want proof of God?s existence, read the Bible and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Take a leap of faith and you will be blessed, for it says that in the last times that all who confess the name of the Lord will be saved. As a believer you are justified by faith, so all your sins are cancelled out; then you become sanctified, then you become glorified in Heaven.
I know from personal experience that God is true. I once wrote against him and was judicated for it; like the conversion of Paul, I was miraculously saved by Jesus to become what I am today. I know that Christianity is not a phony religion. It is the only true religion. There are many facts to support it. Over sixty authors, who wrote at different times, where inspired to write the Book; there is way too much continuity for a book of that size and scope; the parallels between Elijah and John The Baptist, for instance, the over 200 prophesies that came true by the coming of Christ, our Lord. How could all of this came true if the writers where just guessing or off their rockers? For we know that Jesus was a real figure, as historical documents prove by the trial he had under Pontius Pilate. Please believe Jesus, ?I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.? Pray to Jesus now and accept Him. He will continue a good work in you until you meet him. Trust in God.
I know from personal experience that God is true. I once wrote against him and was judicated for it; like the conversion of Paul, I was miraculously saved by Jesus to become what I am today. I know that Christianity is not a phony religion. It is the only true religion. There are many facts to support it. Over sixty authors, who wrote at different times, where inspired to write the Book; there is way too much continuity for a book of that size and scope; the parallels between Elijah and John The Baptist, for instance, the over 200 prophesies that came true by the coming of Christ, our Lord. How could all of this came true if the writers where just guessing or off their rockers? For we know that Jesus was a real figure, as historical documents prove by the trial he had under Pontius Pilate. Please believe Jesus, ?I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.? Pray to Jesus now and accept Him. He will continue a good work in you until you meet him. Trust in God.
At least Christians aren?t being killed in Iraq anymore and thus more people can go to heaven over there. That means that they have many of the same freedoms that we have here. Thank God for that! God is not an evil God; there is no sin in him. He sent his Son to die for our sins not for the believer to kill himself off in an act of Jihad. The Bible is more prevalent in the world ? everybody in the modern world has heard of Jesus Christ, I assume. If you want proof of God?s existence, read the Bible and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Take a leap of faith and you will be blessed, for it says that in the last times that all who confess the name of the Lord will be saved. As a believer you are justified by faith, so all your sins are cancelled out; then you become sanctified, then you become glorified in Heaven.
I know from personal experience that God is true. I once wrote against him and was judicated for it; like the conversion of Paul, I was miraculously saved by Jesus to become what I am today. I know that Christianity is not a phony religion. It is the only true religion. There are many facts to support it.
Over sixty authors, who wrote at different times, where inspired to write the Book; there is way too much continuity for a book of that size and scope; the parallels between Elijah and John The Baptist, for instance, the over 200 prophesies that came true by the coming of Christ, our Lord. How could all of this came true if the writers where just guessing or off their rockers? For we know that Jesus was a real figure, as historical documents prove by the trial he had under Pontius Pilate.
Please believe Jesus, ?I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.? Pray to Jesus now and accept Him. He will continue a good work in you until you meet him. Trust in God.
I know from personal experience that God is true. I once wrote against him and was judicated for it; like the conversion of Paul, I was miraculously saved by Jesus to become what I am today. I know that Christianity is not a phony religion. It is the only true religion. There are many facts to support it.
Over sixty authors, who wrote at different times, where inspired to write the Book; there is way too much continuity for a book of that size and scope; the parallels between Elijah and John The Baptist, for instance, the over 200 prophesies that came true by the coming of Christ, our Lord. How could all of this came true if the writers where just guessing or off their rockers? For we know that Jesus was a real figure, as historical documents prove by the trial he had under Pontius Pilate.
Please believe Jesus, ?I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.? Pray to Jesus now and accept Him. He will continue a good work in you until you meet him. Trust in God.
bodthedog aka Korihor - Here is another one of your crazy quotes - 'YOU KNOW THAT PLACE FILLED WITH SOULESS BLACK PEOPLE'. Are you trying to misquote someone from my church here? He may have said they were cursed but never soulless. Soulless means you have no body or spirit - the spirit and the body are the soul of man. You are so full of garbage information it's pitiful. Have a fun vacation tho.
LOL keep calling us a cult huh. You apparently don't know any true Mormons or you wouldn't say such things. Your little personal religion is more of a cult than mine is. Ok so if we are such a money making cult as you say, why do we spend so many millions on helping others instead of paying our leaders the cash. All of our top leaders are successful men of the world who have no need of financial support from the church. I was working in a position that required many hours of my time each week and I never got paid one dime nor did anyone I served with. So all you have is a bunch of false information and lies. Your lies will get you nowhere. I've heard more trash about our history than you might think. Keep trying to use the world's logic to answer the questions about God and you'll get to the same dead end. I don't know why you keep avoiding accepting my answers but instead just ask newer or restate older questions in a different way. You aren't frustrating me you're just wasting my time. I'm not gonna try explaining to you God's ways but I will indeed share them with others. I will clarify your lies and present the true beliefs of the church. Thanks for giving me that opportunity - Korihor. All of your final lies/statements amuse me. I have no idea where you got the idea about the members of the church being spied on. Here is one thing that we do do though. It is called home teaching and visiting teaching. Priesthood members are assigned families and/or individuals to visit on a monthly basis or more to check up on them (heath, financial issues, family problems, overall wellbeing) and teach them a spiritual message. They see if they can be of assistance in any way. Many of the widows and elderly people really need this kind of support. The women are called visiting teachers who specifically visit the women in their ward/branch to make sure all is well too and provide a spiritual message. This is called watchcare. If there are serious issues with these members the Bishop or Branch president is notified to help organize an effort to help them or tend to their spiritual needs. These leaders are acting like shepherds.
Fragile!? - um 13 million members spread throughout over 100 countries including Kenya doesn't sound too fragile to me. - Yet another prophecy of Joseph Smith fulfilled. I don't know why you keep denying the truths so plainly seen but good luck to you in your pitiful and worthless fight - Korihor.
LOL keep calling us a cult huh. You apparently don't know any true Mormons or you wouldn't say such things. Your little personal religion is more of a cult than mine is. Ok so if we are such a money making cult as you say, why do we spend so many millions on helping others instead of paying our leaders the cash. All of our top leaders are successful men of the world who have no need of financial support from the church. I was working in a position that required many hours of my time each week and I never got paid one dime nor did anyone I served with. So all you have is a bunch of false information and lies. Your lies will get you nowhere. I've heard more trash about our history than you might think. Keep trying to use the world's logic to answer the questions about God and you'll get to the same dead end. I don't know why you keep avoiding accepting my answers but instead just ask newer or restate older questions in a different way. You aren't frustrating me you're just wasting my time. I'm not gonna try explaining to you God's ways but I will indeed share them with others. I will clarify your lies and present the true beliefs of the church. Thanks for giving me that opportunity - Korihor. All of your final lies/statements amuse me. I have no idea where you got the idea about the members of the church being spied on. Here is one thing that we do do though. It is called home teaching and visiting teaching. Priesthood members are assigned families and/or individuals to visit on a monthly basis or more to check up on them (heath, financial issues, family problems, overall wellbeing) and teach them a spiritual message. They see if they can be of assistance in any way. Many of the widows and elderly people really need this kind of support. The women are called visiting teachers who specifically visit the women in their ward/branch to make sure all is well too and provide a spiritual message. This is called watchcare. If there are serious issues with these members the Bishop or Branch president is notified to help organize an effort to help them or tend to their spiritual needs. These leaders are acting like shepherds.
Fragile!? - um 13 million members spread throughout over 100 countries including Kenya doesn't sound too fragile to me. - Yet another prophecy of Joseph Smith fulfilled. I don't know why you keep denying the truths so plainly seen but good luck to you in your pitiful and worthless fight - Korihor.
bodthedog - aka Korihor - You still ignore everything I tell you just like Korihor does. Show me a sign!! LOL Here is one of your lame comments - 'AND NOT VERY DEVOUT GROUP AT THAT WITH LESS THAN 43% ATTENDING CHURCH ON A REGULAR BASIS, NO WONDER YOU HAVE TO PREACH SO LOUD AND LONG WHEN YOU GET THE CHANCE'. Are you one of your statistical bookkeepers now. I know what our attendance ratings are. I know what our worldly percentage is. That makes no difference to me. Jesus said 'straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to everlasting light. Do I expect the church of God to be have the highest religious percentage of the world's population? No, because I read and understand the scriptures. The church of of God is supposed to receive the most persecution of any other church and you are proving that point quite well. I know plenty about the Free Masons - actually a lot of their rituals go right along with our Temple Endowment ceremonies. They have the signs and tokens but they do not know what they are truly about. I've been endowed and if you know anything about that you'd know I have committed myself to the law of consecration and seeking to help others as best I can to live the Gospel and find the truth. Yes the Free Mason have corrupted or twisted the Temple ceremony into something more worldly but the good parts of it were what the forefathers and Joseph Smith were a part of. Thanks for bringing that up.
About that LDS gentlemen who said the twin towers were an inside job. A man of his standing in the church shouldn't be giving his personal feelings about a matter because that reflects on the churches views. He knew that ahead of time but still went forward. People know they will be punished for their actions. If my bishop was to say everyone should vote for such and such candidate because of such and such he would be using his position for power and support which is not allowed. Sorry if you don't like our rules but leaders of the church are told ahead of time what is not ok to do and say. We have handbooks that make of this clear. 'Destroyed His Life'?? Is he out on the streets begging for food or something. If he blames the church for his problems now then he is no better than you blaming the rest of the world and religions for your own. If he wants to fall away from the church over the matter that will show how he wasn't firmly rooted enough in the Gospel. Just as Jesus said 'you have to nurture the good word of God and prune it and dig it about until you can see the fruit of the tree'. Time will tell where his heart really was.
All you do is sing the praises of those that make their church look bad. LOL so amusing. That's just what Korihor did. Anyway thanks for allowing me to bring some clarification to these issues.
BTW - I have seen some conspiracy films about the towers and I am intrigued but not convinced. I am sure the terrorists were involved because of the many witnesses and evidences that have come up about the issue. I am appalled that the government let the Saudis get out while all other flights were grounded. We really have a great dependence on them for their oil. That's why I am yearning for the day that we put more and more effort and use in to renewable energy sources. Algae, heat-radiation, solar cells, and of course fuel cells. I watch a lot of history channel so I am amazed at the variety of ways we can get off our dependence of oil. It's gonna be tricky because we have the automotive industry to fight and our infrastructure is so firmly rooted in the oil business. We will make some great strides soon tho.
About that LDS gentlemen who said the twin towers were an inside job. A man of his standing in the church shouldn't be giving his personal feelings about a matter because that reflects on the churches views. He knew that ahead of time but still went forward. People know they will be punished for their actions. If my bishop was to say everyone should vote for such and such candidate because of such and such he would be using his position for power and support which is not allowed. Sorry if you don't like our rules but leaders of the church are told ahead of time what is not ok to do and say. We have handbooks that make of this clear. 'Destroyed His Life'?? Is he out on the streets begging for food or something. If he blames the church for his problems now then he is no better than you blaming the rest of the world and religions for your own. If he wants to fall away from the church over the matter that will show how he wasn't firmly rooted enough in the Gospel. Just as Jesus said 'you have to nurture the good word of God and prune it and dig it about until you can see the fruit of the tree'. Time will tell where his heart really was.
All you do is sing the praises of those that make their church look bad. LOL so amusing. That's just what Korihor did. Anyway thanks for allowing me to bring some clarification to these issues.
BTW - I have seen some conspiracy films about the towers and I am intrigued but not convinced. I am sure the terrorists were involved because of the many witnesses and evidences that have come up about the issue. I am appalled that the government let the Saudis get out while all other flights were grounded. We really have a great dependence on them for their oil. That's why I am yearning for the day that we put more and more effort and use in to renewable energy sources. Algae, heat-radiation, solar cells, and of course fuel cells. I watch a lot of history channel so I am amazed at the variety of ways we can get off our dependence of oil. It's gonna be tricky because we have the automotive industry to fight and our infrastructure is so firmly rooted in the oil business. We will make some great strides soon tho.
I ask the Mormon. Why did Smith add to the Bible when at the end of Revealtion it says not to add to the Bible. People can do as lot of change without the Hoily Spirit. The Spirit cannot be with you becaouse the prophesies in the Old Testament pointed to Jesus and Jesus in the New Testement fulfilled those prophesies. In the same Testement their is no mention of a further propehsie of a man who would become Smith.
To bodthedog: I was never excemuintaed from a church. Look up the prodigal son in Luke 15 for more guidence. We belong to a forgiving God, who dies for all our sins. I continually confess my sins as I am told to by the Holy Spirit of God. The point was that you could be redeemed in spite of your conflicts with God. I like the way you are with your family, but I disagree what you are fighting for. I didn't spell check this.
To bodthedog: I was never excemuintaed from a church. Look up the prodigal son in Luke 15 for more guidence. We belong to a forgiving God, who dies for all our sins. I continually confess my sins as I am told to by the Holy Spirit of God. The point was that you could be redeemed in spite of your conflicts with God. I like the way you are with your family, but I disagree what you are fighting for. I didn't spell check this.
kneebow - do you really not understand why we have the Book of Mormon.? Did you know the same statement you refer to in Revelations that says you shouldn't add to the book is in the book of Deuteronomy? John was only refering to that specific book of scripture since there wasn't such thing as a Bible when he wrote it. The Bible wasn't complied until much later than John the Revelator wrote that passage. In fact, the Bible wasn't even a word or around at all during the Book of Revelations. A bunch of scholars decided what to put together to become what is now known as the Bible. The Bible even refers to Books that aren't within its pages so how can it be all of the Gospel or all of God's word. That's why we say the Bible is incomplete and not correctly translated. If it had been complied by an apostle it would have more credibility. It is mostly correct so that's why we use it in our church. It's how Joseph Smith was led to pray about which church to join. He received an answer to join none of them. Because (God speaking here) - they draw near unto me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. If you want to know more answers to your queries you can go to fairlds.org or lds.org and do some research. Those are two of the official websites of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. People only know us by the title Mormon because we also use the Book of Mormon with the Bible.
All the best.
All the best.
rockstar11998: I should have not said that the Holy Sprit is not with you. That is between you and God; I can't possibly speak of your salvation, as I can't for my closest friends in the Church. Where does it say in the book of Deuteronomy that you cannot add to the book. And you did not answer my question: Why was Smith a nessicary propeht when all the Spirture had been fullfilled by the Comming of our Lord? Also, all Scriptuire is God breathed, as it is written in 2 Timothy 3:16; their is certainly a reason why the Bible is a self supported document written by God. If it isn't then it is man centered and worthless. I can get into more specifics later.
kneebow - Thanks for responding. The verse I speak of comes from Deuteronomy chapter 4 verse 2. If that verse were taken literally as the one in Revelations than the New Testament and all other Revelations and laws after that time wouldn't be allowed. I really wish for you to read/watch/listen to this talk given by an apostle of my church just a couple weeks ago about this very topic. The title of his talk is "My Words...Never Cease". Here is the link http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-30,00.html
If you look around the website you'll see it has many languages that you can read it in. If you prefer to see the video (My suggestion) there is a link for that to the right side of this page - http://lds.org/conference/sessions/display/0,5239,23-1-851,00.html. This page has all of the talks given over those two days of our 178th General Conference that is broadcast throughout the world. Please read/listen/watch it and tell me what you think. I totally understand where you are coming from with your beliefs about the Bible but I wish you to keep your mind open about the need for revelation and prophets today as you read that talk. Beyond all of what he says there is prophecy in Isaiah chapter 29 that points to the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. You would have to know some of our church's history in order to understand what is being referred to tho.
Have a great day.
If you look around the website you'll see it has many languages that you can read it in. If you prefer to see the video (My suggestion) there is a link for that to the right side of this page - http://lds.org/conference/sessions/display/0,5239,23-1-851,00.html. This page has all of the talks given over those two days of our 178th General Conference that is broadcast throughout the world. Please read/listen/watch it and tell me what you think. I totally understand where you are coming from with your beliefs about the Bible but I wish you to keep your mind open about the need for revelation and prophets today as you read that talk. Beyond all of what he says there is prophecy in Isaiah chapter 29 that points to the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. You would have to know some of our church's history in order to understand what is being referred to tho.
Have a great day.
kneebow - I want to add one more chapter to my suggested readings list. Chapter 37 of Ezekiel. It talks about the last days when the Jews will be gathered again and about another book (stick) that will be written on. The stick of Judah represents the Bible and the stick of Joseph represents the Book of Mormon. Each one pertains to the lineage of the people that put each book together. Verse 17 - Together they can become one in God's hand - a full set of scriptures about God and His Gospel. To comprehend the meaning of these passages you really need to understand the Old Testament and how the Tribes of Israel were separated.
The Book of Ezekiel is a great Book, along with the rest of the Bible. But the way you interpret it may not be correct to me. We may have a diffrence in our belief systems. I have to be honest: I do not want to stray from the Bible, because their seems no point to me to serve anybody except Christ alone; who is the mediator for the Father and the Holy Spirit, which is God too, of course. Now the Lord is the Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Freedom, Paul states in 2nd Corinithians 3:17. I do not feel safe beliving in something added to what I pertcive as Holy Scripture. I don't mean to offend you, but like I said we may have differing belief systems. What specifically made you want to belive in your faith? I wish to understand this more from your point of view. I didn't sepll check this - again.
kneebow - i was raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I always felt right about the teachings and wanted to serve a mission for God when I was 19 as most young men do in my church. While I was at the missionary training center we were practicing how to teach messages from the Book of Mormon and as my small group were discussing a small passage about Jesus Christ we all had an overwhelming feeling of love and peace. It was most certainly the deepest spiritual experience I've ever had. I since had many others on my mission teaching others about the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and the Book of Mormon. This is something very personal I've just shared with you but it sounds like you can respect it. The Book of Mormon has a promise at the last chapter about how someone trying to decide whether it is scripture can find out whether it is or not. You can look it up on the internet if you like. Moroni chapter 10. I can't prove that it's true to you because everyone has to have their own personal experience about it. I wish you to remain open minded and plead with God about its truthfulness after reading some of it. I'd specifically suggest you read 3 Nephi chapter 11 so see what it says about Jesus Christ. If you haven't read the talk from the apostle yet please do so. We are not trying to take anyone away from the Bible. We study it along with the Bible. We even combine them into one book with footnotes in each that lead you to similar passages to either book. Best Wishes to you.
I've had simmilar experinces; what I think you refer to is a Bron Again experience. Itsn't that jsut the greatest feeling in the world? To know that you are chosen by God to live in erternity with Him. Peace and joy are defibnate fruits of the Spirit, arent' they, as outlined by Paul In Galatians 5. I love Jesus deeply, as I always praise Him and his Holy name. Without love their is nothing, and without faith it is impossible to please God. Please keep on your path of faith,as it seems to do a great deal for you.
If I may be so bold: Muhammad probably went to hell. He was a demon posessed person (being susseptible to demonic influence, he grew up in a pagan - ie polytheistic - household and repeatedly had convusions). He knew what he was writing was wrong.
Just look at the fruit of Islam to know that it stands condemned. God is a God of peace, not war (Philippians 4:9). He is a God whose love endures forever. He sent His Son to die for our sins, not to kill ourselves off for atonement of our own sin. Islam has no savior and this is the way that Satan, who Muhammad was a follower of, wants it. When the real antichrist comes Islam will probably belive that he is their savior, along with the Jews who ascribe to Judism; that will bring world peace in a region strife with conflict, as the bible says he will in the Book of Daniel. You may scoff at me, but in 2nd Peter it describeds that many will. Just keep the faith as a Christian and know that it is the only true faith.
Just look at the fruit of Islam to know that it stands condemned. God is a God of peace, not war (Philippians 4:9). He is a God whose love endures forever. He sent His Son to die for our sins, not to kill ourselves off for atonement of our own sin. Islam has no savior and this is the way that Satan, who Muhammad was a follower of, wants it. When the real antichrist comes Islam will probably belive that he is their savior, along with the Jews who ascribe to Judism; that will bring world peace in a region strife with conflict, as the bible says he will in the Book of Daniel. You may scoff at me, but in 2nd Peter it describeds that many will. Just keep the faith as a Christian and know that it is the only true faith.
Why is bodthedog so snide? And why does he write evrything in caps lock? Why dosen't he leave rockstar alone? What did rockstar ever do to him?
Is their a quicker way to communicate with all of you?
Once Bill O'Riely said that Stepehn Colbert is snide and when he used that word it seemed fitting of you. You have a funny demenor and I didn't mean to call you anything that wasn't fitting. But in the future I suppose I should use a dictionary; ho hum.
kneebow - I love your comments about Muhammad and the Antichrist. I have very similar feelings. It's great to know there are others out there that actually know the scriptures. I have been at mininova trying to say the same types of things about Islam and Muhammad and all the Muslims keep saying I don't know what I'm talking about. Most of them are so clueless about their own history and how bad Muhammad was as a person.
bodthedog won't leave anyone alone kneebow because he is a type of Antichrist himself. Just look up Korihor in the Book of Mormon and there is a guy there that fits his description and comments perfectly.
bodthedog - I'm not trying to be a polition. You don't listen to what I have to say so I'm just clarifying all of your lame comments instead of wasting my time on your lameness. What do you mean I never commented on the text changes in the Book of Mormon - did you skip over my comments???? It's there in black and white. (Besides the fact that it's ancient history and the leaders of our church have commented on it plenty with the press - look it up) Uncle Joe?? I don't know where you get your information but I know better than to believe you. You disregard all of my facts so I guess I can disregard your so-called facts/information.
I don't fear the future energy needs except that we need to get off oil because that's what keeps us friends with the Saudis when we should be fighting them too - please pay better attention. I am not going to comment about the plates. I already have the answers but you'll never know until you faithfully ask if it is scripture through prayer. Those are the facts.
The professor is wrong if you are saying there is no way the building could have collapsed on its own. I know all about the fire protection and what not. Structure damage and heat were enough to cause the collapse. Gravity sure is a B*tch huh.
Now about your age. You sure do sound like a grumpy old man. LOL!!!!! Too bad you don't know enough good facts and just focus on the negative.
bodthedog won't leave anyone alone kneebow because he is a type of Antichrist himself. Just look up Korihor in the Book of Mormon and there is a guy there that fits his description and comments perfectly.
bodthedog - I'm not trying to be a polition. You don't listen to what I have to say so I'm just clarifying all of your lame comments instead of wasting my time on your lameness. What do you mean I never commented on the text changes in the Book of Mormon - did you skip over my comments???? It's there in black and white. (Besides the fact that it's ancient history and the leaders of our church have commented on it plenty with the press - look it up) Uncle Joe?? I don't know where you get your information but I know better than to believe you. You disregard all of my facts so I guess I can disregard your so-called facts/information.
I don't fear the future energy needs except that we need to get off oil because that's what keeps us friends with the Saudis when we should be fighting them too - please pay better attention. I am not going to comment about the plates. I already have the answers but you'll never know until you faithfully ask if it is scripture through prayer. Those are the facts.
The professor is wrong if you are saying there is no way the building could have collapsed on its own. I know all about the fire protection and what not. Structure damage and heat were enough to cause the collapse. Gravity sure is a B*tch huh.
Now about your age. You sure do sound like a grumpy old man. LOL!!!!! Too bad you don't know enough good facts and just focus on the negative.
bodthedog - do you even know where the Free Masons got their signs and tokens from?? I do. Jerusalem where the chosen people of God performed these same ordinances as we do today - in temples. That's right the Jews had it all but lost it for a time. That's what wickedness and rebellion does to ya. God takes away what light and understanding you once had. I know this first hand since I'm not perfect. Anyway, you should look up information about a group of people mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls that were doing very peculiar things in the eyes of regular Christians but to us they go right along with what we currently do and have done since the time of Joseph Smith. The Qumran Community is the name of the people. Here is a link where you read some about the history - http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_dead_sea_scrolls.html
and this one - http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/bookschapter.php?bookid=12&chapid=48
For the second site I suggest you definitely read the part entitled "The Qumran Complex". No fairytale here - just facts.
and this one - http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/bookschapter.php?bookid=12&chapid=48
For the second site I suggest you definitely read the part entitled "The Qumran Complex". No fairytale here - just facts.
bodthedog - aka Korihor - Here's your ridiculous quote - KEEP YOUR WITS ABOUT YOU. HE SOUNDS ABIT LIKE SATAN, DOESNT HE, NOT THE LEAST BIT CHRISTIAN IN HIS OUTLOOK TOWARDS HIS FELLOW HUMANS, SMUG ARROGANT, AND SELF RIGHTOUS, LOVES TO SPEAK, HATES TO LISTEN. Look who's talking!!! That's exactly what you do. This one really gets me. You said - BUT ILL PLOD ON REGARDLESS IN SEARCH OF THE TRUTH. Who do you think you're kidding. I already know you're not searching for the the truth. You've already made up your mind already about everything and are full of contention - the spirit of the devil. The signs and tokens are as old as time but the Free Masons got them in Jerusalem - ie the stone mason that worked on building the temple observed them being used. Adam - the first man also knew these signs and tokens. I never said that the Free Masons of today aren't an occult. They are indeed. But when Joseph Smith and the forefathers of our country were involved it was totally different.
I laugh at your comments where you claimed you were looking for evidence of God at the Holy Sites. You need to show some faith in order to find Him. Any other way will not do. You really need to learn a lot more about Qumran because you have a very limited view of it if you still don't see how the Bible and Christianity holds up because of its discovery and the Dead Sea Scrolls. You make a good point about the dead sea scrolls about them not saying anythin
I laugh at your comments where you claimed you were looking for evidence of God at the Holy Sites. You need to show some faith in order to find Him. Any other way will not do. You really need to learn a lot more about Qumran because you have a very limited view of it if you still don't see how the Bible and Christianity holds up because of its discovery and the Dead Sea Scrolls. You make a good point about the dead sea scrolls about them not saying anythin
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